I remember reading when I was newly pregnant with Hope, must have about been my first appointment, that Lily Allen was also pregnant. I think we were due around the same time. So it was with much sadness that only a few weeks later, I read she lost her baby. A miscarriage. Funnily enough, I thought of the pop star a lot through my pregnancy with Hope. Maybe as some sort of weird premonition, I wondered what it would be like for her to see babies born around the same time as hers was due. I wondered if that would be something she would find hard. As it would come to pass, I would learn that yes, she probably would have found that hard. I know I still find it hard today. Two year old girls are pretty much a no go zone for me and I make no apologies for that.
So it was with much sadness again today that I read Lily Allen lost another baby. This time, much further in to her pregnancy. Somehow this time around, I missed the news she was expecting again. I guess I don't sit in as many waiting rooms these days.
It was also with much frustration today that I read most media outlets labelled the loss a miscarriage. I know in the UK it is still termed a miscarriage up until 24 weeks, but by my rough calculations, she would have been further along than that so a stillbirth is most certainly the correct word to use, worldwide.
This is where things get a little fuzzy. There are probably two schools of thought here. To disregard what type of loss it was and just support her either way, after all, a baby died and it doesn't matter what age or gestation it was. Or to kick up a bit of a fuss, as I have done here, and air your frustrations about the media getting it wrong. It is true, miscarriage or stillbirth - it is the loss of a precious, much wanted baby. But to call such a late pregnancy loss a miscarriage is insensitive to those who have been through it and quite simply incorrect. If nothing else, it is sloppy journalism.
I am lucky. I have never had a miscarriage and I hope it remains that way. Both pregnancies, I sailed smoothly out of the miscarriage zone. But I did obviously have a stillbirth. Hope, my daughter, was stillborn. My eight pound, fully formed, ready for the world, almost a week overdue daughter. She was not cramping, blood, tissue = no longer pregnant. She was born. There was grunting, pushing, straining, pain and brutal labour. (Though to be fair I do fully understand that with later miscarriages, this process also happens). And I'm sure with Lily today, this is roughly what has happened.
I just think to call her most recent loss a miscarriage totally diminishes what she went through. What I went through. What so many of us went through. I take nothing, absolutely NOTHING away from women who have suffered any type of miscarriage or early loss, but they are not the same. Yes, there is absolutely the same loss of hopes and dreams and in every case, it is a precious baby who is lost - whether it is a full term baby or a tiny embryo, but physically and technically, they are not the same. Or interchangeable. Hope was stillborn. Lily Allen's first baby was miscarried. Her second baby was stillborn. End of story.
Right now I'm sure all of this palaver is probably the last thing on Lily's mind. I'm sure she could care less about which media outlet is saying what. She'll be in a haze. Shocked. Grief stricken. I'm sure she is surrounded by people who love her and right now that is the main thing. I just wonder why it is though, that the media find it easier to call such losses a miscarriage? Is it somehow easier to stomach the idea of a baby lost early in pregnancy than one that was much further along where it is painfully obvious the woman is pregnant? And when it is such a public figure whose face is everywhere? Does it make people that squeamish to think that yes, babies are lost in the so called "safe stage" of pregnancy? That yes, a baby wont always come home with you, even if you have a huge and well-rounded baby bump? And that if you are a young and gorgeous pop star who has spent thousands of pounds on a baby nursery, it doesn't guarantee you that elusive happy ending? Or is it just a case of the media being totally misinformed on pregnancy loss, as so many people out there seem to be? Even medical professionals get it wrong, so I'm not sure why I am expecting so much from a bunch of lazy journos.
There is little wonder in today's baby and pregnancy obsessed world, that we, as grieving parents, are often misunderstood in our grief. Pregnancy loss is rarely talked about, though I am starting to see change in this area and certainly the coverage on Lily's loss today is a great start. But how can we expect anyone to understand us and our pain, if the media can't even get the basic facts right? It might seem like nitpicking, but to me it is not. I can see that this sort of argument could be upsetting to those who have suffered a miscarriage, and if this is the case I am truly very sorry, but seeing Lily's loss written about dozens of times today and labelled incorrectly was also upsetting to me and I am sure I am not alone. Personally, I think it is important the media get this right. The more we talk about our losses and the more we keep putting it out there, the less likely it will be in the future that these sloppy mistakes will be made.
Mostly though, I just want to say how sorry I am that another precious baby boy was lost. Goes to show that no matter who you are, no one is immune from this sort of tragedy. My heart breaks for Lily today and all that she is going through.

Absolutely I am bloody FUMING. Just not good enough and yes it does negate the SERIOUSNESS OF IT. GRRRR
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to say that I understand what you are saying. My sister's first pregnancy ended in a miscarriage at 13 weeks. She went on to carry a full term baby (10 days late) with Trisomy 13. He was born breathing and lived on life support for 6 days. So while not a stillbirth either, I do understand what you are saying. To this day her husband is driven crazy by people that lump together miscarriage, stillbirth and infant death.
ReplyDeleteI am in the states so I do not know who are talking about but I really hope that some day she gets her "Angus."
~Cheryl
Once again, you said it a lot better than I could have. I've been thinking about these same things all day.
ReplyDeleteI agree with all of this. I think calling the loss a "miscarriage" allows the media to ignore the fact that there was a baby - a precious little baby boy. I have friends here in the UK who have lost babies between 20 - 24 weeks and they do get very angry and saddened that their children aren't always acknowledged as little people. I think it's willful ignorance to be honest - people don't want to know so they don't take the time to get it right.
ReplyDeleteI am so very sorry for Lily and her family.
I thought the exact same thoughts when I read about this yesterday. I don't know really anything about this lovely girl but my heart absolutely breaks for her and her partner.
ReplyDeleteAnd you're absolutely right--it was a stillbirth. She had to go through labor, deliver her baby, exist through that surreal nightmare of the work without the reward.
It must be profoundly difficult to grieve in the public eye. She probably doesn't give a rat about what anyone's saying now, but as we all know too well, it's the going on, the going forward. And to be in the tabs . . . I can't imagine.
I just want to give her a huge hug and, well, I don't know. Poor girl, poor baby. Poor everyone.
I've been thinking of her today too Sal. In fact I have been thinking of her all weekend...I've seen her on tellie preggers and knew she was getting towards the end. I read the news with much sadness this morning. And yeah, it pisses me off too. A loss is a loss, but when people use the term miscarriage to refer to this kind of loss it pisses me off. They use it to minimise the loss and thats just wrong on so many counts.
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Her baby boy may not have been a stillbirth either, my daughter was premature and died in the nicu. We just don't have enough information. We will probably never get the correct info until/unless she tells us her story herself. I've expirienced a miscarriage as well and you're right a loss is a loss. It is definately not the same to have an early mc and a later loss, so it is important that ppl get it right. What I am the most angry about are those in society whoa re atttacking her and posting crap online that she needs to stop trying to have babies, because it just isn't meant to be. I hope the fb page is taken down before she ever sees it and I hope she is staying off the internet so she isn't hurt by all the ignorance in this world.
ReplyDeleteThank you for writing this. So true, every word of it. I am angry and upset with the media's choice of words, and also so very devastated for Ms. Allen, and all the other mommies whose babies died this weekend.
ReplyDeleteI was in the supermarket on Sunday, as a matter of fact, and looking at aforementioned trashy magazines, seeing all the headlines about this star being pregnant, that star having given birth, when I thought to myself, "Why do we never hear that a star's baby has died? Why doesn't that happen to 'them'?" (Playing my oft-played "us and them" game, which I know is a no-win game, but my mind still insists some times.)
And now I realize, maybe I didn't know that "it" happened to "them" because the damn media labels "it" as miscarriage, and even if I read the details, my mind would still hear "miscarriage" and think of a different scenario. And I guarantee that the majority of the public heard the news, heard the word "miscarriage" and felt sad, but not in the same way as if they had heard "stillborn." Or "Lily Allen's baby died."
It's just wrong that the only ones of us that really fully understand are the ones that, sadly, have had to endure such a loss (or one very similar).
And perhaps if the media did a better job of using language that fully allows for processing the full horribleness of such a catastrophe, there would be fewer distraught mamas wandering the supermarket aisle feeling lost and alone as I was last Sunday.
OK, stepping off my soapbox for the morning, as I know you are in my camp and I'm preaching to the choir now.
Thanks for stopping by my blog, I'll be reading along here too now. It helps to know mamas who are a little farther down the road than I am, so thanks for blogging.
with love,
sarah
Thank you for writing this. So true, every word of it. I am angry and upset with the media's choice of words, and also so very devastated for Ms. Allen, and all the other mommies whose babies died this weekend.
ReplyDeleteI was in the supermarket on Sunday, as a matter of fact, and looking at aforementioned trashy magazines, seeing all the headlines about this star being pregnant, that star having given birth, when I thought to myself, "Why do we never hear that a star's baby has died? Why doesn't that happen to 'them'?" (Playing my oft-played "us and them" game, which I know is a no-win game, but my mind still insists some times.)
And now I realize, maybe I didn't know that "it" happened to "them" because the damn media labels "it" as miscarriage, and even if I read the details, my mind would still hear "miscarriage" and think of a different scenario. And I guarantee that the majority of the public heard the news, heard the word "miscarriage" and felt sad, but not in the same way as if they had heard "stillborn." Or "Lily Allen's baby died."
It's just wrong that the only ones of us that really fully understand are the ones that, sadly, have had to endure such a loss (or one very similar).
And perhaps if the media did a better job of using language that fully allows for processing the full horribleness of such a catastrophe, there would be fewer distraught mamas wandering the supermarket aisle feeling lost and alone as I was last Sunday.
OK, stepping off my soapbox for the morning, as I know you are in my camp and I'm preaching to the choir now.
Thanks for stopping by my blog, I'll be reading along here too now. It helps to know mamas who are a little farther down the road than I am, so thanks for blogging.
with love,
sarah
Poor girl.
ReplyDeleteYou probably already know this Sal but it hurt beyond words to know that my George, my ten-fingered, ten-toed, button-nosed little boy is considered a "miscarriage" in this country.
Huh? I gave birth didn't I?. My waters broke, I felt contractions, I pushed hard when I was told to and I felt every inch of my silent still son leave my body.
And now I have had an early miscarriage too and it isn't the same. It IS as serious and it hurts so much, but in a different way.
Using correct terminology is important but information about problems in pregnancy, signs to look out for and the aftermath of loss might be more helpful.
xxx
I cringed with every report of her "miscarriage" My heart breaks for her, and i don't know why the media/society what have you, wont call her loss what it is - a stillbirth. All loss is tragic, trying to minimize it somehow with different terminology is somehow more-so.
ReplyDeleteI agree you with 100% Sally. Having suffered both a miscarriage and a stillbirth, so I can say from first hand experience that there is a big difference between losing blood and tissue and birthing a dead baby. There is certainly that gray area where a woman goes through labour and delivers a baby before 20 weeks (or 24 in the UK) and technically suffers a "miscarriage" and where I think the loss is comparable to my experience with losing Isla. I also don't think we should diminish the signifance of miscarriages - my miscarriage may have been much more traumatic if suffered after my stillbirth and I can only imagine the pain associated with repeat miscarriages or a miscarriage after years of infertility. A loss is a loss no matter what the gestation...BUT referring to a loss at 6 months as a "miscarriage" is infuriating.
ReplyDeleteI knew the world was ignorant about pregnancy loss, but I'm totally shocked that virtually every news source (trashy and otherwise) could be so daft! Are there not employees working in these places that have either suffered a loss themselves or know someone who has and who can educate their colleagues?
This NowMagazine article (http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebrity-news/505292/katie-price-it-was-heartbreaking-to-hear-about-lily-allen-losing-her-baby/1/) is my favourite. It says, "Lily was 6 months pregnant with boyfriend Sam Cooper's baby, so her sad loss is not medically termed a miscarriage, which occurs before the 24th week of pregnancy", and yet still makes no mention of the loss being a stillbirth or neonatal death!!! GRRRRRRRR!!!!
I must agree wholeheartedly. I read miscarriage too and thought of her previous one. Then I read she wa about 6 months pregnant, and I thought, that's not a m/c! I know a loss is a loss, but to call it a m/c minimises the loss somehow. Funny, you'd think media outlets would want to sensationalise a story a bit and use the term stillbirth. Perhaps it's ignorance about pregnancy loss prevailing here....
ReplyDeleteI think that the word "miscarriage" desensitizes it and creates misconceptions about what it means. I hate the word. It makes me feel like I'm not supposed to grieve just because my child never lived outside my womb. It makes grieving so much harder, complicated. People don't expect you to grieve--for a baby who was never actually born.
ReplyDeleteIf a baby did not die inside a womb and fall apart into tissue only to bleed out of his mother or be sucked out into "medical waste" (vomit)...and did in fact remain in his/her mother's womb, everyone would speak of this baby as if he was already a part of the family. He/she would have potential names and personalities and everyone would prepare for his/her arrival. BUT when this baby dies before he/she has a chance to see the world, everyone expects the parents to just move on--as if he/she wasn't really ever here. And when said parents are still grieving months later there is no place for this grief outside of their own household and secrecy and perhaps other grieving parents' blogs...
The entire concept of "miscarriage" and baby loss needs to be re-addressed and publicized and acknowledged.
I totally agree! I hate when my stillbirths are called a miscarriage. It just makes them seem less significant, and after having two miscarriages as well, and for me, there was a huge difference in what I went through.
ReplyDeleteHope's Mama, you put it all so beautifully. I seem to get in trouble from my readers when I point out the difference between miscarriage and stillbirth. All I want to do is give my stillbirth the credence it deserves and acknowledge my daughter as a real human being. She deserves that.
ReplyDeleteThey are calling what happened to Lilly Allen "Pre term delivery", I have not heard it was a miscarriage. I am in the US. my heart goes out to her at this time. The baby had a viral infection.
ReplyDeleteI loathe the comparisons....am early miscarriage is not as bad as stillbirth which is not as bad as infant loss which is not as bad as todder losee which is not as bad as early chilhood loss you get the picture.
i read one blog where the Mother lost her almst 2 year old and blows off miscarriage and stillbirth.
go figure?
it's a loss
Agreed on so many points.
ReplyDeleteI think the media labels it that way because it's easier to think of a baby just going away. As in many miscarriages take care of themselves. I think they don't want to think about the fact that she probably still had to deliver this baby the way you do a full term baby. They don't want to imagine the horror of having to endure all that pain only to get no prize at the end. I find people I know very well still regard Hannah as a miscarriage or a pregnancy loss. I don't think they think about the fact that I delivered her the same way they delivered their living babies and that she looked exactly the same as their babies. It's not right, but I think it's human nature to not want to think about painful things. It's frustrating though because I feel like if they did label this right and it happened to a high profile person, maybe stillbirth would get more attention.
I made a comment on one of those sites reporting the news- I got lots of angry comments calling it insensitive for correcting the term miscarriage. Sadly, the term stillbirth is too taboo, and miscarriage is much easier to digest. What a sad world.
ReplyDeleteagree completely. thanks for saying it so well xxh
ReplyDeleteit's pure ignorance. I wrote a post a few years ago comparing use of the terms miscarriage and stillbirth. I have been unfortunate to experience both (multiple miscarriages now) and they are nothing alike.
ReplyDeleteWhen I heard Lily Allen had "miscarried again" I figured it was early, like her last one. When I heard she was 6 months I was livid. it is NOT THE SAME.
Most of the world actually dont even know that stillbirths still occur, especially at the rates they do.
I have heard people on forums mention someone having a miscarriage at 38 WEEKS. It blew my mind. They just dont get it.
It bugs me that they are labeling it a miscarriage. To me, it seems like they are trying to make it out to be not such a big deal.
ReplyDeleteI haven't been to your site in a while and just read your last several posts in succession. I just had to comment on how right you are about the distinction between babyloss and miscarriage, and I say that as one who has had two of the latter and (thankfully) none of the former. I had a miscarriage just days after finding out I was pregnant for the first time. It was hard, particularly because I had to go through fertility treatments to get there. I then had my first daughter, and followed that with another miscarriage -- this time at 10 weeks. Still very early, but with fertility issues, you know you're pregnant so soon. We had been through 2 months of knowing about the baby, keeping it a happy secret, dreaming of the sibling our daughter would have, etc. And it was much harder than the first miscarriage. And I was just 10 WEEKS. I cannot imagine the pain of a miscarriage at, say, 19 weeks or, even worse, a still birth. Because the longer you have that little being inside you, the more you know him or her, the more you feel him or her, the more you plan for the future with him or her, etc. My first lost baby was mostly a dream. A few days of believing that the impossible had happened. My second was was the loss of the little grain of rice we saw on the ultrasound -- small, but with a beating heart. The further along you go, the more of a person (if that makes any sense) you are losing. And your loss, Sally, is simply unimaginable to me. Obviously and tragically not unimaginable to you. I cannot imagine your pain and horror. I applaud you for getting through it (as in a process, not a thing that is, or ever will be, complete). Congratulations on your one year old boy. All the best for the year to come!
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