Thursday, July 23, 2009

On gender and names

This could be controversial, but I am going to break rank here and say the thing people in my position are not supposed to say - we desperately wanted another little girl. Given the choice, in a perfect world, we would have ordered us a second daughter. Not a replacement for Hope by any means, but a second chance to parent a daughter. A second chance for me to get that real mother-daughter experience. Another little girl for Daddy to love.

But Mother Nature had other ideas. And that of course is perfectly ok. We are thrilled to be having a son. Completely and utterly overjoyed. Let me make that perfectly clear. Especially to those of you who lost a son and so desperately want another little boy.

We had a very good idea this little one was indeed a boy at the 12 week ultrasound thanks to some clever scanning by the obstetrician and some handy spread-legged positioning of the baby. The 20 week ultrasound just confirmed what we already knew.

When we first got the glimpse of the "prize package" at 12 weeks, I was probably only sad, and sad isn't even really the word, for a split second - if that. More importantly, we were just of course thrilled that he appeared happy, healthy and growing right on track.

And when we had our 20 week ultrasound a few weeks back, it was quite literally a good 20 minutes in to the scan before I even thought to ask about gender. We were just so mesmerised watching the little guy squirm around on the screen, making sure all his brain, heart, vital organs, bone and spine measurements were A-OK. And they were, thank god.

So when I finally did remember to ask, we got a glimpse of said package again, and we were sure we were having a son. And the first thing Simon mentioned was "oh crap, now we have to come up with a name". Such a warm, fuzzy and loving moment! A moment we can hopefully tell this boy all about in years to come.

We sort-of-but-not-really had a boys name picked out last time around. It was a bit of a worry, as I was convinced right up until the last push we were having a boy. I can honestly say if Hope was a boy, I have no idea what he would have been called. We were 110 per cent sure if we had a girl we knew what her name would be, and it most certainly was not Hope Angel. But Hope Angel is who she is, and who she will always be. And we do love her name and really, I don't think we could have found anything any more fitting. I do feel a bit of regret though, that I didn't give her the name we always dreamed of, but I feel that I will be able to use that name again if I ever am so lucky to have another daughter. I know if I never use that name, I will always regret it and feel a deep ache, as that is the name of the daughter I always imagined I'd mother. I loved the name so much, but for reasons that others may or may not agree with, I just couldn't bury it. In my grief, shock and drug induced haze, we came up with a new name.

So we are totally and utterly stuck on a name for this new and very special little boy. We both like traditional names. And nothing too long, as our surname is tricky. And again, I am scared to find a name I love, totally fall in love with it and settle on it, because I'm terrified of having to bury it. And it is not like we can NOT come up with a name now (as I know some chose not to name miscarried babies). But this little man, by definition of our law, is indeed a REAL person now. Not sure what made him less of a real person before I hit that magical 20 week mark, but whatever happens now, he needs a name. He can't be miscarried now, one way or another, he will be born (again, going by legal definition here). So this of course means if things go pear-shaped again, we're legally obliged to organise another burial or cremation. This very real now. This is really happening. There is no turning back. And if you've been reading, you will know how exciting and terrifying that is, all rolled in to one big jumbled mess.

There are a few names in the mix. A few new ones, a few of the same ones from last time. And we both so stumped. In all seriousness, I like more than Simon does and I'm more open to suggestions - and he will readily admit he is the sticking point here. But at this stage of the pregnancy, we have absolutely no idea who this little man will be and what he will be known as for the rest of his days.

He was, from the moment of conception onwards, always my Little Flower. The little bud blossoming in my belly, renewing my hope and faith in the world, giving me reason to go on, get up and face each day.

But it doesn't seem to fit anymore though. What I have taken to calling him lately is Thumper, as he really does thump around in there. I imagine he must have the big feet of his sister, as he really makes it known when he gives me a kick.

So Thumper he shall be until he emerges in to this world. I think it is going to be a case of not knowing his name until we lay eyes on him, and how desperately we are waiting for that moment to come. And I'm also desperately hoping that despite the different gender, when we do lay our eyes upon him, he shares some of the gorgeous good looks of his missing big sister. I want to see both my children in this little guy when he is born, regardless of what their names are, could have been, should have been or will be.

31 comments:

  1. I am horrible @ leaving comments. However, I wanted you to know that I was here. I loved and understood your post. We hadn't settled on a name yet when Clarence died, but the ones we had on our list we didn't use either. He deserved his own name. A special name. I can't imagine him with any other. Congrats on your boy!

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  2. I'll be honest with you- I really, really want a boy next time I get pregnant (and keep it). Like you, not to replace my son, but to give a son to his waiting daddy. A son to go fishing and camping with just like daddy has been dreaming of.

    I love my son's name- my sister in law asked my husband if we were going to name our next boy the same name and he asked, no, why would I have two children with the same name? We thought his name was perfect, and I don't think we'll ever come up with a better name for our next child. As for name suggestions, how about an H name, to (other than blood) be connected to Hope? Like, Henry? I want a C name for my next child, to connect it to my son.

    xoxo

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  3. First off, I'm with you guys on a name, should this little guy make it. Cayden's name was decided five minutes before my emergency c-section, so we clearly don't have a big list of boy names.

    In terms of the gender, I was mixed about what to hope for, besides an unafflicted baby. Scott has always wanted a girl, but I really liked having a boy, and wanted another. But because of how things are going, it feels so much like deja vu, that sometimes I think carrying a girl would be easier. It's all so complicated.

    I like Thumper, that's a great in utero name. Sending hugs and good naming vibes;)

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  4. Lol. I remember wanting a girl with my first pregnancy and being told it was a boy. My husband said "Damn" really loudly... When we got home we found that when we replayed the cd that it had audio and Aaron can be heard clearly!!! OOoppps. :( (He didn't mean it the way it sounded, though.)

    It's not that we aren't grateful and feel blessed to have our wonderful son. He has brought us much joy and laughter. I guess we always did especially want a girl is all.

    Your little boy (whatever his name is) will bring you much joy and maybe in the future you will get another little girl. Maybe we both will, who knows.

    Don't think about burying this name. Go with what speaks to you.

    And I wish you luck with Simon, MEN ARE HOPELESS WHEN IT COMES TO PICKING NAMES!!!! They're really good at saying "no, I don't like that one" but really crap at giving examples of what they do like... But you know that already... sigh.

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  5. I'm sure your Thumper will have a beautiful name that suits his personality and reflects your love for him and Hope. That said, I can understand your wanting another girl, when Calvin died, all I could think about was wanting to do IVF with gender selection to give my husband another son. Not replacing Calvin by any means, but making it so that the dream didn't die with him. Hugs

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  6. I think you know that I had the same feelings of sadness when we found out that Moe was a boy. I think it's really natural - it reminds you that things are not how you once thought they would be.

    As for names, well I am the queen of searching for baby names and I have a couple of good websites!

    The Cradle http://babynames.thecradle.com

    I like the 'browse for names' bit which groups similar kinds of names together.

    Nymbler
    http://www.nymbler.com/

    This one is really clever. You put in names that you like and it suggests other names based on these.

    Can't wait to meet Thumper xxxx

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  7. Alice was going to be Alice or Louis if she was a boy. I didn't know she was a girl until after she was born. And her middle name, Buttons, was her name when she was in my tummy.

    Its hard, this name thing. And I understand the gender thing. Not that I am expecting but if I was, I know that I want a girl. Not a replacement - just a girl.

    But whatever comes may be and I just hope oneday these is one on the way.

    Anyhow, I love all sorts of boys names - I love the older names like George, Henry, and Frank. And Max and Felix (Minnie was going to be Felix).

    More later xxx

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  8. thumper... very cute.

    i can honestly say that gender hasnt played into our pregnancies. our only thoughts have been "God, please let us not have to bury another child..." I dont know that I could really hope for anything beyond that.

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  9. Freyja was Freyja from 20 weeks onwards, so there was no question of her having another name. Same with Kees. Obviously. But names are difficult. And I always find boys names much, much harder than girls names. We're stuck for a name for this one. He didn't have a name from 20 weeks ...
    I was terribly upset when we found out we were pregnant with a boy after we lost our little girl. I was convinced we would have another girl, and the shock of having a boy was huge. Obviously I got over it --- my Kees was gorgeous!! And this time it was Craig who got the shock. He didn't want a boy, not after Kees. So he was upset when we found out this one is a boy too. A still nameless boy!

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  10. We had a devil of a time with the name too (I too had a girls' name picked and ready to go, but you've read my emotionaly trauma the day we found out the gender).

    I like our boy's name, don't love love love it, but it was the only name we could agree on last time, and we're going to use it again. At first I didn't want to, because it would have been Charlotte's name had she been a boy, but hubby was adamant that Charlotte's name was Charlotte, and we could use this name again. So we will.

    Love Thumper! Mine thumps around too. Too cute.

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  11. I get it Sally. When I was pregnant with Sienna we were tossing up between Sienna and Sahara. Just before we found out we were going to lose her I had decided on Sahara. I, too, didn't want to bury that name for a variety of reasons.So Sienna she was.
    And Sally, when Sienna was born - even though she was only 21 weeks she ABSOLUTELY looked like her brother and sister who are now 7 & 8. I was amazed at how that likeness could be there so early.

    Love 'Thumper' btw and this blog filled me a real sense of joy. Thank you. Jayne

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  12. Sally, I hear you loud and clear. I am actually on the other end.... I am praying, praying, praying for a little girl this time. A HEALTHY, LIVE little girl, mind you, but I just feel that one little difference may make a world of difference in that delivery room. It's going to be so difficult anyway. Nicholas will be on my mind the entire time. I just feel like if I can put a little pink hat instead of a blue one.... it may be easier?? (doubt it).

    So, all in all... I get it.

    I am so happy for you guys. Boys are really incredible too. I'm sure he will be fiercely protective of his baby sister.

    xo

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  13. Sally, Boys names are so hard. I find it difficult at least. I have a cool baby name book. We should talk.
    With love.

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  14. Aw Thumper is such a sweet nickname. Reminds me of the little, mischievous rabbit in Bambi. I hope that he does have get some of Hope's gorgeous looks.

    If I was completely honest, I would love to have another girl. Not to replace Georgina, in either her parents' or her sister's hearts, but to give Jessica the sister that she could have had, should have had, would have had. In another world.

    I can't give her another twin sister but perhaps a little sister? I think that Jessica and Georgina will be lovely big sisters, just as Hope already is to Thumper.

    His name will come to you, just like Hope's did. I think it was right that I gave Georgina the name that I dreamed all those years. Just as it was right that you gave Hope Angel her very own, new name. Which is just perfect for her. I don't think that you should feel any regret over it. xx

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  15. I said something very similar on another blog recently.

    As babylost parents we feel like we're somehow not "supposed" to have a gender preference because we should only want a healthy baby ....and of course that's what we want but it's one of those simple things that are no longer simple for us.

    We didn't find out gender with Emma but I *knew* she was a boy!? Dave suggested her name at about 7pm, she was born at 2.25am,the following day. As soon as we met her we know it was her name all along. It just belonged to her. This time round, I think boy again (so probably a girl!?) I don't mind but I think Dave has a slight preference for a little girl. I already have a boy's name that I love but I haven't shared it with anyone, even Dave yet because we're just not there yet. Thirteen weeks is too soon to contemplate it really. My best friend named her daughter 11 days after she was born! I think we might be the same this time around (if we make it that far) ... and that doesn't really worry me.

    I love Thumper though - so very cute.

    love
    Jill

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  16. Boys names are harder to pick. I'm with you, I like simple and traditional. Can't wait to know this little guy's moniker!

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  17. This post makes a lot of sense. My brohter's gf wanted to name their daughter the name they picked out and my brother didn't because he didn't want to bury his daughter with his favorite name. In the end, they kept the original name. The mother was worried if she didn't use the name and used it on another baby then the name would always remind her of her first child. I like what you guys did because Hope Angel is a perfect name for your baby girl.

    I can understand that you want another little girl. I know it isn't to replace Hope because no child could ever replace her but to get a chance to know what it is like to raise a daughter. I know you are going to enjoy your sweet little thumper and he will be a great big brother to his little sister that will hopefully be following him.

    Great post! Thank you for being so open and honest!

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  18. We had such a hard time picking Dresden's name.. I actually picked this babes name a week after he was born. I decided that I KNEW the next baby would be a girl (although once I became pregnant I was sure it was a boy - and at the ultrasound i was very shocked to find out our 'boy' was a girl!) and I wanted her name to honor Dresden.. so I looked in the baby book for girl names beginning with a D - Delaney it was! :) Our next boy was always going to be Liam.. so I felt good about having names all lined up!
    I also remember (probably around 20 weeks actually) the first time I thought to myself.. wow, I officially have 3 children now! No matter what happens to this baby.. she counts as an additional member of our family. It sucks that we have to think in terms of 'even if they die' they still count, huh?
    I also hope that Delaney looks like Dresden.. at least a little. I just need a glimpse of what he would have looked like.

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  19. George wouldn't have been George if he had lived. It was my favourite name but a friend of ours has a dog called George and it didn't seem right at the time. :o/

    I don't know Sal, I think I'd like a girl, I've dreamt about having a daughter but since any pregnancy now will be my (second and) last, I'll be happy with whoever comes our way (soon, please!). I desperately wanted to be pregnant the same time as last year, don't know why, everyone seems to avoid it like the plague.

    What I mean is, there's no right or wrong way to think or feel or want.

    Your son will be loved. Your second daughter is just waiting in the wings.

    xxx

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  20. I remember that I couldn't decide which would be harder, having another boy and using all the boy things we got when Henry was born or having a girl and not using most of them. We struggled with a boy's name because I loved Henry's name so much it was hard to find another boy's name I liked as much. We didn't find out the sex of the baby until she was born, but Brian's sister had had a dream, and part of me believed that it would come true, that we would have a girl.

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  21. To be honest, I've always wanted ALL girls. How terrible am I?
    I even got two of them but I'm down to one again.
    I am one of those weird people who sort of have little guidelines for our names. They are all three letter and two vowels and one consonant. (Zoe)
    So I have no advice. I have never met a person without a name though, so I'm sure you'll figure something out..lol
    Love Lindsay

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  22. About gender - part of me wants another boy very badly, but part of me is hoping for a girl. Different seems safer and more comforting right now.

    Names are hard, but I love thinking about them - it's one of the very few baby prep things I've been indulging in - lists of names and meanings, ideas of names from books. You'll find the right name for your little boy, I know.

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  23. I'm glad you posted that you wanted another girl. I'm new to the baby lost world & I'm not nearly ready to conceive again...but when I think of having another baby in the future I want another girl, too. I feel bad for even thinking that way and will be 100% grateful for any baby, but I'm glad you admitted that you had a preference...makes me feel like I'm not alone.

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  24. Yep, I want a boy. I won't for a moment, like you said, be disappointed if it's a girl. But I do have a preference, and so does my husband, I think. And there's that horrible "if" again... "if" I get pg... "if" I give birth to a living baby... as for names... that's my favorite part, but we don't start with names until I have a + test, soo... (although thanks for those babyname sites, they're great!)

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  25. You are blessed! I didn't name Grace till I saw her. I wanted to name HER not a vision of HER. Does that make sense? She is and was my Grace. I buried that name with her but that's her name without a doubt. You may just know when you meet your little man! ((hugs))

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  26. My husband and I had the hardest time coming up with a nice traditional name for our son. We ended up printing out 2 copies of the top 1,000 names of 2005 (the year our son was born) and each going through and independently highlighting our 10 favorites. We compared notes and we only had one favorite in common so we used it :William. It's perfect for our little man. good luck deciding!

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  27. What's the rush? You will know the name when you see him. As for Thumper, I think that's a lovely name for now! Maybe you can narrow it down to 3 or 4 by the time the big day comes and then when you see him, one will fit! I am so excited for you Sally. I wish it would go by faster!

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  28. after losing our full term baby, we didn't name the next one until he was 30 days old. we didn't even talk about names until he was born and we didn't know if we were having a boy or a girl. we were scared and i couldn't do anything i felt was going to jinx my pregnancy. i know most people cannot understand this feeling, but i know people that have been there can.

    it worked well for us to do it this way and we did it the same with our 3rd. our two sons are dylan edward and zachary clinton-elonzo,

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  29. Hi, My name is Nicole and I recently received a link to your blog. I am so touched by your story. It is so hard being pregnant again, I know as I had Thomas last December after losing my son Ben in October 2007. Finding out the sex after you have lost a little baby can be so hard. I was the opposite, I wanted a girl after losing Ben because I didn't want to go through life saying this is what Ben should be doing. Its a funny thing that I don't do that at all, Ive never called him Ben either, other friends and family have but as his mother i really know how different they are. I am so happy for you that Christmas this year will be very different. Take care xx

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  30. I'm glad you mentioned you wanted another girl, because my husband and I feel the same way, and I feel guilty about that. But of course all we really want is a healthy child that lives...but I think there could be a sense of loss when you've lost your first child and your second is a different gender. I just already spent so much time imagining being the mother of a daughter, that it would be hard to change that now. I don't think I'm doing a very good job explaining myself, but just wanted you to know that - again - I appreciate your honest post (and everyone else's honest and varied responses) and will probably read this again when we find out the gender of our baby!

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  31. Thumper! how precious!
    even though Leila was cremated I understand when you say "bury the name". I always knew i'd have her and i picked out her name when i was 19 (i'm 27 now). i never thought i'd have to bury that name. now i have no earthly idea what i'll name my next child. having planned to adopt my second child, i'd not picked any other names out.
    like you, i want another girl. having lost my mother at 2 i always wanted a girl so that i could have the mother-daughter relationship that i missed out on with my own mother. and having only sisters, it just feels so natural to me to raise a girl.
    i hope Thumper comes into this world kicking and screaming, and i'm sure he'll have the perfect name. :)

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